I’ll tell you why.
I didn't read this article before, thanks Luna, very wrong this Murray how he has no regrets and blames others, I would lock myself in prison if I were him!!
Genius, I think you haven’t read yet that article that made me mad.
(And this is the thread => http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/1265661).
I don't know if you've read, Joms.
This man thinks working again as a doctor after leaving prison!!!!! I was deeply shocked by reading it. He keeps me down ... (=> « Once he gets out of jail, Murray says he absolutely plans on going back to practicing medicine. He says he wants to serve humanity, and that medicine is only part of how he wants to do it. »)
He isn’t a normal human being. He has something wrong in his head. Does he suffers from a personality disorder ? If so, which one ? Narcissistic? Antisocial? Schizotypal ?
(For those unfamiliar with these disorders : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder)
He has no regrets. He continues to justify himself. He blames others instead of feeling guilty. He is deprived of normal human feelings. He is disconnected from reality, from standards of society. As a doctor, he had no deontology. He is dangerous, he threats to society. It's so sad that Michael has trusted such an individual…
So sorry, Luna !!!
You could also intepret this as sarcastic !!!
Yes it's an interesting thread. Thank you for taking the time to share what you think.
Oh, Genius !!! you've made a big mistake by putting 'Dr' instead of writing simply 'Murray' !!!
Yes, I finally got back here, Luna !
And you know very well I'm aware that you're not against the use of Propofol, I understand and even agree with you !!! If only that damn (sorry for that word) Dr. Murray would have treated Michael properly !!!
I'm glad you noticed that there were more people interested in your thread ! No need to thank us for that, Luna !
Hope you'll be back soon !
L.O.V.E. to you and all your readers !!!
Happy to see you again here, Genius
Yes, this year, not like last year and the year before, I was much affected 24th than 25th. This is probably because I know more about what had happened 24th since Murray’s trial. And also because I'm fascinated by Earth Song since I immersed myself in this thread. Knowing that Michael was very happy and doing so well June 24th makes me so sad ...
As you all probably know, I'm not really against the use of propofol in exceptional cases and exceptional circumstances. Propofol is a safe drug if given properly. So that what makes me so mad is the fact that just lifting Michael’ chin when his breathing had stopped could have saved his life, -- yes, CPR massage was not even necessary... When I think of this simple act failed, unknown by Murray, I feel deeply depressed...
This year, June 24 2012, I couldn’t help crying and saying ‘bring him back’. I don’t even know to whom I was saying so. To God? or Murray?
To Murray, because God is not responsible for Michael’s death, but Murray.
To God, because he is omnipotent, he can do everything, he can produce miracles. Yes, he can even bring Michael back or bring the time back, but Murray can’t, of course.
Well, I stop writing my endless grieves, and negatives feelings ...
I was always thinking that there were just two or three persons who were interested in what I was doing here and that other people didn’t like read my long posts written in my poor English. In reality, it wasn’t two or three who were following this thread, but maybe five or six or even more. Tani’s very nice compliment really comforted me. Thanks a lot, Tani, Genius, Joms and all other invisibles friends.
Oh Luna, your message of the 24th really touched my heart !
It's so true, if, if, if ...
And yes, if only he could come back !!!
And as Tani said, this thread should really stay on page 1 !!!
oh!! this is so cute too I guess the one in my avatar could be made in macramé too that is possible too!
Tani, love & hug
hey luna hope you're doing well! Sending hugs and love to you!
Well this thread deserves to be at top and MJ Family knows it
Tani and Joms, thank you. I'm surprised to see my thread at the top of the first page.
@ Joms. I love your new avatar. Isn't it a cross stitch? I did it a few weeks ago.
Nobody knows what is going to happen, I'm glad to see this thread back on top page, I wished it was that easy to bring Michael back like posting a comment and that's all!
few days this forum made me cry,lol
Earth song indeed is a very touching one....
On the afternoon of June 24th 2009, he performed Earth Song at the Staples Center.
Who might know this would be his last performance? I think even God didn’t if I’m allowed to say so.
After the rehearsal, he was exciting and happiest of all, according to Frank Dileo, because he was very sure of his success in London.
Who might think at this time he would never be back on stage?
Who might imagine some hours later he would leave us for ever?
Who might know his doctor would give him benzodiazepine after benzodiazepine before giving him unknown dose of propofol?
Who might imagine this doctor, instead of monitoring his client, would leave him alone to call his mistresses one after others?
Who would believe this cardiologist didn’t even know practicing chest cardiac resuscitation massage? and that he was only interested in hiding items instead of calling 911?
Our Michael could have been still among us, despite propofol given, if Murray had done otherwise, (for ex. if he had lifted his patient's chin when he stopped breathing as said Dr. Shaffer), or if it had been not Murray but another...
I know I have to say R.I.P., (I say this in my heart for almost three years), but today in my deep pain I cannot prevent myself from saying “Bring back him to us”, “Bring time back to June 24th 2009”.
Please let time back. Please send him back to us.
We need him. He needs us. He should be here with us.
Please let him back.
After great excitement caused by the news of items output for BAD-25, now it's the sadness that fills me. I would love share the pleasure of celebrating this great event with Michael. (tears)
All the memories of 25 years ago come back to me ... I loved so much BAD album. I so loved this period of Michael's life and Michael of this period. I cannot forget the moment I watched the SF of BAD for the first time : surprise, emotion, excitement, love ...
We cannot go back in time. But I feel that the release of BAD-25 will make me relive all the moments that I had known 25 years ago. My love for Michael ...
I cannot believe he’s not there among us.
Who would have imagined 25 years ago series of sad events would be waiting in the future ? Who would have had at the time a slightest idea of his last ten years ?
25 years ago, Michael was on top of his happiness. I was happy too in my simple life. I didn’t know either that the future would have reserved lots of difficulty for my life…
When I plunged into a sad thought, the image and the sound of Earth Song performed by Michael in June 1999 in Munich and 24 June 2009 are coming back to me and make me suffer more…
Earth Song makes me cry…
Thanks for telling us a little of what you know about this.
oh don't worry, i know that certain things wouldn't actually work when it comes to the last minute and a person needs care quickly. It really depends on the situation at had.
The efficiencies of traditional western medicine and those of alternative medicine depend on cases.
I don’t have enough knowledge to say anything about severe insomnia as Michael's. We only know the method by natural herb used by Cherilyn Lee was ineffective.
We all know that for a little affection as urinary infections for example, natural treatment by Cranberry or a homeopathic medicine (Hepar Salfuris Calcareum 9CH) is more effective and less harmful than treatment by antibiotics. Today all doctors and pharmacists recognize this.
But for diseases like ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis) and Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease, (these are two diseases that I personally believe as two worst of all diseases on humans), what could we do with natural medicine ? Absolutely nothing. It is not even worth trying to treat these patients by homeopathy or naturopathy. This is not serious. And our human body has no ability to heal itself from this kind of degenerative neurological diseases. You MUST die within a few years, no alternative, no miracle. Only, in my opinion, regenerative medicine or gene therapy will be a hope for the future.
Another thing. We should not forget that Chinese traditional natural treatments by medicinal plants also have serious side effects. Even homeopathy could be harmful.
Yes, all medical treatments, either natural substances or chemicals, have side effects. But both are more or less effective in some cases. This is case by case.
I know very well the controversy between advocates of alternative natural medicine and those of traditional western medicine. In the past I participated in the 'war' for very long about this topic.
I was the only one who had been located between the two. For me the issue is not to reject one or the other. For me, the best solution is cooperation of both two fields. Do you know? In some Asian countries, for example in Japan or in China, hospital doctors also prescribe Chinese traditional medicines, if they consider them better than chemical treatments, or they use both Western medicine and Asian traditional medicine.
Another example. As everyone knows, traditional western medicine side recognize the effectiveness of acupuncture for extensive areas, such as pain treatment, sleep disturbances, and even in the field of anesthesia. In France, acupuncture sessions performed by physicians are reimbursed by Social Security.
We also should know that the efficiencies of natural treatments have never been studied by systematic and scientific method, that is to say, by double-blind trial on thousands of people over a long period. In addition, we should not forget that all substances have their placebo effects.
For me who has participated for years in the discussion on this kind of topic, it is not easy to express all my thoughts here in a few paragraphs. I try not to go too far today.
My last example for today.
If I had a young child with a brain tumor, I wouldn’t choose naturopathy or homeopathy for my child who needs urgent and effective care, I would say YES to a surgical intervention as soon as possible and I would sign for the care thereafter by radiotherapy and chemotherapy, knowing their devastating side effects. (I know what needs in such a case. My daughter specializes in this field, she works for children with brain tumors). If I had made another choice, that is to say, a refusal to traditional Western medicine but using of natural method or asking for a spiritual healer, such a decision would mean I kill my child by my wrong choice, and it's me, in such a case, who is an assassin of my own child.
@.7. What I wrote today is not a direct response to your thoughts and your interrogations on western medical practice and human capacity for self-healing, etc. I preferred writing my general point of view at first. If you want and if you give me time, I will write more directly, by addressing the issues you have raised.
yes, i would like to know your viewpoint on it... please let us know.
Oh Genius, you start your day thinking about Michael !! You're a real big fan
If I tell the truth, the last thing on my mind before falling asleep every night, this is Michael. There was no one single night since his passing I fell asleep without thinking of him. However, at the time of morning awakening, I don’t really think about him, despite two big posters of Michael just before me on the wall of my bedroom. I have three cats waiting for their breakfast. So the first thing I think about every morning is the breakfast for my cats, not Michael …
.7. ex-Silver and Joms, I'm trying to organize my thoughts. In the past I wrote kilometers of posts on this subject on one of medical forums. I'll make a résumé to let you know my opinion about this subject.
I also feel like this about Michael.
That's very interesting .7., also many people use homeopatic remedies here since they can't find relief in our "traditional" medicine.
western medicine wasn't helpful enough..
How about the natural naturopathic way of taking care of health?
That western medicine can really kill you instead of heal you... They think surgery is right, i think surgery is taking a part of the body that was meant to be there and that can actually cause more ailments. I think it's time western medicine fixed their ways.... Why can't they evolve and become better? Why do they still use synthetic drugs to take care of patients? Why did Michael have to go through a cocktail of drugs just to sleep, just to damn have a damn sleep? How bad is this? Murray tried to ween him off, instead the result was this....
The truth is to use drugs is very harmful. The body was designed to heal itself and because of this, this medicine(me die soon) is very harmful. Being that Michael had such a busy, stressful lifestyle, this did not help him heal. In order to heal, one most get away from what keeps harming them. An imbalanced lifestyle causes the body to be imbalanced. We all exchange energy all the time, with people, with environments, with animals, with nature... etc. Nature is the most balanced and nature has all the herbs needed for the healing of the nations.
I feel exactly the same, Luna ! When I awake in the morning, I immediately think of him and then suddenly I realise he's gone !!! It's a terrible feeling each morning !!!
I think I haven’t said everything I wanted to say.
More I think, more questions appear, and I try to find answers.
But whatever I do, enigmas remain regarding his last days, last weeks...
However for some weeks, I’ll try to stay calm. I wouldn’t agitate my mind.
Three years ... Yes ...
I still cannot believe he's gone for so long ...
But only three years...
It's normal if I still live with deep sadness, sorrows and pain.
For me, it's still early, too early to think of only positive sides of Michael's life to glorify his greatness.
I don’t even know if one day I'ill stop remembering sad memories.
For me at the moment, it is unthinkable that such a day will come.
I miss him so badly ...
This is sad because all Michael wanted was good health care and money was the problem for doctors and others had interests and were selfish. Thanks once again Luna.
Hi Parischina, welcome here!
Hi ParisChina, nice to meet you
I'm not a Chinese, but I understand a little Chinese language
I'm also captivated by Michael's 魅力
nearly every time I heard Earth Song,I cry.Michael always can influence others,expression his spirit,感染别人，and his voice is very 有感染力的， Love MJ